When I was a little kid, we lived up in Kentucky, and we had a hard time living. Mama used to take old corn pone (I don't know whether you know what it is, or not), black-eyed peas and turnip greens. And when she'd take that old corn pone... We didn't have any lard. She'd render out meat skins. And then she'd make that (the grease) the shortening for this corn bread out of them meat skins.